. >> i think paul ryan and mitt romney have done a very good job talking about what a real recovery looks like. what a recovery in the early 1980s began to look like when you are creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. not 150,000 jobs. or 100,000 jobs. i think people know what a recovery feels like around their own kitchen tables. that's why that ad that ran with the family just sitting in silence at dinner was so powerful during this election cycle because it was the anxiety that so many people feel, bill, regardless of politics. they know how their own family feels. >> bill: that's why governor romney is running strong in so many places. it's all about the economy. you don't disagree with me that libya is going to matter? no matter what comes out? >> well, i think it its actually played out already as far as the way the people think. i don't think we will learn anything else. the drip, drip, drip has been pretty interesting in the last few days. again, the press totally falling down. >> i think catherine herridge -- >> -- yeah, catherine, of course. >> bill: you know, look, there is no